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[Flairpark]

Isn't it amazing how "No, not even one" turns into, well we could borrow a three horse trailer... I am in big trouble, but... I am thinking it might just be worth it.

I am a predominately egyptian breeder, but I came across three gorgeous mares with what I thought might be good pedigrees, but I am not sure how good. I think they have mostly polish lines but I am very uneducated in all but the egyptian (and there I just have a small clue). There are the few obvious big names that I know, but other than that I am lost. I was told these girls were all bred by Magness Arabians. I couldn't pass these lovely ladies up, but I would still love to know a bit more about them. I am an egyptian breeder mostly by accident, but I am hoping these girls will help us branch out a bit more. Does anyone know anything about their lines? Any and all information would help me out, photos to come soon

http://www.allbreedp....com/czipper gm
http://www.allbreedp...e.com/czamara11
http://www.allbreedp...ee.com/harmada2

Thank you!

[parquetfloorstable]

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[Dreamcatcher]

Well, Polish/Egyptian is considered a great cross for helping some traits and helping some traits disappear. These mares look to have some very nice OLD lines up fairly close and I wouldn't be embarrassed to have any of them in my back yard. You should get lots of sturdy type with theses girls.

[Flairpark]

Well, I don't "know" that they are polish, that is just my stab in the dark? They are LOVELY girls regardless of pedigree. I just think it will be fun to know as I feel so out of my element with these lines. Heard of most of them, but where when and why.... I don't know just names floating around in my head Polish Egyptian crosses are fun, I think we might try Czamara with my Stallion Houdini this year. He is my avatar. Thanks for looking

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The girls are on the site! The photos are AWEFUL though. Poor Czipper has her back end on high ground, front end in a ditch, makes her look funny. Czamara wouldn't look at the camera, and Harmada has a sticker on her! But... they are there with copies of their papers.

[Rosealba Farm]

Your girls have lovely pedigrees. They are bred by Magness who was a Polish Arabian breeder, though they did breed some Russian horses too. Harmada is a Polish/Russian cross. They are not Egyptian, though Aswan was imported from Egypt to Poland and used in their programs. Magness had two farms, one in Colorado and one in Santa Ynez. They had some really nice horses. There were about 300 horses in Santa Ynez and bred about 100 babies a year trying to reproduce Gondolier, who was world champion. Gondolier was a beautiful and kind chestnut stallion. They never could reproduce him, but he ended up being a broodmare producer and his daughters are still highly sought after. I got my Gondolier son from the SY farm in 1988 as a throw away yearling and still have him. I would love to have a Gondolier daughter or grand daughter as an outcross for my program.

You might start learning about pedigrees by picking up old magazines on Ebay. You can get them all the way back to the 40's and 50's. If you are going to be breeding Arabians, you really should study the breed and learn about it before bringing new lives into this market. You don't have to be an expert, but everyone should have a basic knowledge of their bloodlines so you know what strengths and weaknesses they have and how the cross on other lines.

Sue

[liz]

Isn't it amazing how "No, not even one" turns into, well we could borrow a three horse trailer... I am in big trouble, but... I am thinking it might just be worth it.

I am a predominately egyptian breeder, but I came across three gorgeous mares with what I thought might be good pedigrees, but I am not sure how good. I think they have mostly polish lines but I am very uneducated in all but the egyptian (and there I just have a small clue). There are the few obvious big names that I know, but other than that I am lost. I was told these girls were all bred by Magness Arabians. I couldn't pass these lovely ladies up, but I would still love to know a bit more about them. I am an egyptian breeder mostly by accident, but I am hoping these girls will help us branch out a bit more. Does anyone know anything about their lines? Any and all information would help me out, photos to come soon

http://www.allbreedp....com/czipper+gm
http://www.allbreedp...e.com/czamara11
http://www.allbreedp...ee.com/harmada2

Thank you!

All three are incredibly athletic pedigrees. I think we have underutilized good ole Polish lines to ensure athletic ability in favor of other traits these days.
Betcha they have good structure and sound legs and hooves too. What's not to like with that ?

[JennyM]

Czamara can come live with me ANYTIME!

Wow!

Lovely additions to your Flair Park Family!!

[Laura]

Isn't it amazing how "No, not even one" turns into, well we could borrow a three horse trailer... I am in big trouble, but... I am thinking it might just be worth it.

I am a predominately egyptian breeder, but I came across three gorgeous mares with what I thought might be good pedigrees, but I am not sure how good. I think they have mostly polish lines but I am very uneducated in all but the egyptian (and there I just have a small clue). There are the few obvious big names that I know, but other than that I am lost. I was told these girls were all bred by Magness Arabians. I couldn't pass these lovely ladies up, but I would still love to know a bit more about them. I am an egyptian breeder mostly by accident, but I am hoping these girls will help us branch out a bit more. Does anyone know anything about their lines? Any and all information would help me out, photos to come soon

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/czipper+gm
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/czamara11




They all look pretty nice. I would love to see pics of the El Paso grandaughter.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/harmada2

Thank you!

[Cassel Mountain]

Awesome bloodlines, especially 4th generation.

[Flairpark]

Your girls have lovely pedigrees. They are bred by Magness who was a Polish Arabian breeder, though they did breed some Russian horses too. Harmada is a Polish/Russian cross. They are not Egyptian, though Aswan was imported from Egypt to Poland and used in their programs. Magness had two farms, one in Colorado and one in Santa Ynez. They had some really nice horses. There were about 300 horses in Santa Ynez and bred about 100 babies a year trying to reproduce Gondolier, who was world champion. Gondolier was a beautiful and kind chestnut stallion. They never could reproduce him, but he ended up being a broodmare producer and his daughters are still highly sought after. I got my Gondolier son from the SY farm in 1988 as a throw away yearling and still have him. I would love to have a Gondolier daughter or grand daughter as an outcross for my program.

You might start learning about pedigrees by picking up old magazines on Ebay. You can get them all the way back to the 40's and 50's. If you are going to be breeding Arabians, you really should study the breed and learn about it before bringing new lives into this market. You don't have to be an expert, but everyone should have a basic knowledge of their bloodlines so you know what strengths and weaknesses they have and how the cross on other lines.

Sue

Gondolier was one I knew, but thanks for the extra information on Magness.

I am just not familiar with who is Russian and Polish in these girls but polish was my best guess (I always mix up Russian and Polish, not good I suppose, but I never bred it before). I knew they weren't egyptian. They are wonderful specimens no matter what their pedigrees say and I think they will make neat crosses with my egyptians and with my pintabians, I evaluate strengths and weaknesses on a horse by horse basis, but additional information would be nice to watch for recessive characteristics. Sometime down the line I would like to breed them for their lines so to speak.

I own a ton of the old magazines and have a huge binder of all of my egyptians ancestors, but like I said I don't know much about these girls. There are quite a few names I know and I have researched their sires, but I am still hoping for more information. So I am doing exactly what you suggested. Trying to find out about them before I breed them. I am much more concerned with what the horse looks like and how they produce than their lines though. I have seen some really ugly horses with better pedigrees than this so while there is something to be said about knowing their pedigrees (and I am working on it:) I don't think it is everything.