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#51 AuburnRose87

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Posted 30 January 2008 - 12:16 PM

Can someone tell me the strain of my mare? Auburn Alexia

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Posted 30 January 2008 - 01:41 PM

She traces to RODANIA
A desert bred Kehilet Ajuz mare of the strain of Ibn Rodan of the Roala, imp. England by the Blunts. Rodania was the founder of a great producing line. She herself bred also *Rose of Sharon, dam of *Rodan and the great sire, Rijm, and Champion Rosemary, dam of show stock and producers.

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Posted 17 December 2008 - 03:51 AM

QUOTE (Century Oak Arabians @ Sep 26 2006, 11:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It simply means that he is Koheilan Moradi by strain, coming through the tail female Sahara. Now, if that is the only line that is koheilan (Kuhaylan?) then he may not resemble his strain so much. If you have a horse that say is heavily Saqlawi bred through his pedigree but the tail female is Kuhaylan.. he will most likely look more Saqlawi than he does Kuhaylan though his strain would not change.

That's why it's important to look at the total strain pedigree and not just the tail female line to make determinations on how a horse might breed on smile.gif


I have to beg to differ on this point! There are occasions when a totally different strain will come through in individuals other than the "tail female" and /or the strain with the highest percentage throughout the pedigree.
I like to call it the "Working or Dominant "Strain.

For example; I have a mare that is Kehailieh Mimrieh in tail female, the majority of her pedigree is Kehailan(a little over 60%) She resembles her Saqlawi lines , though she only carries around 14% Saqlawi blood.

She was bred to a predominantly Kehailan Stallion of Dahman Tail female and has produced a filly of Seglawi type with the Dahman smoothness.

Does any one have a theory on this? Would love to continue this thread.

It's all very interesting and certainly enjoy reading all the posts regarding strains.

As you can see I named my stud after the Hamdani Strain

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Posted 18 January 2009 - 07:45 AM

Mark,

I have been meaning to reply to this post for a long while...I agree with you... The reason why may not be the same... As a breeder I am very facinated with strain breeding.. It must be the geneologist in me so pedigrees, strains, and bedouin history really catch my imagination and quite frankly I can spend days especially in the winter with papers and photos spread from one end of the house to the other...While I find it facinating, genetics play a very important part in the resulting foal... A strain is basically a definition of a last name... The mares were named after certain characteristics... Hadban strain was named after a mare with a flowing forelock.. Abbeyan for a profoundly flagged tail that would impede lost of her masters cloak...Others for the geographical area they were produced or the tribe that reared and valued them... I do believe what is said regarding a mare contributing 60% to the foal, but I don't believe it is genetic contribution, but the contribution of characteristics such as how to interact with people, how to interact with the herd, it might be a head flip, or a certain manner of trotting around the pasture at feeding time... The foal is always learning from their mother and that is where the influence continues after genetics have put the pieces of the puzzle together.. So, that is why you mare could be predominately of one strain, and by rule of tail female another, but actually representing a third... These situations happen very frequently... When I look at pedigrees and strains I look to the great grandparents (8) horses.. I look at sire lines and female lines.. It is interesting the difference in even 3/4 siblings that changes the configurations... I fear that in modern times the strain system may become obsolete and what will replace it is three types... Halter Type, Performance Type, and Sport Horse Type... It would be ashame to loose the tradition of the strain breeding system... Tracy
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Posted 18 January 2009 - 08:15 AM

mellow.gif I've got a problem with our mares strains, couse there are some ancestors in their pedigree, like Milordka and Szweykowska, who have no strain at all. Help in finding their strain needed and really appreciated smile.gif.

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Posted 06 February 2009 - 02:18 AM

QUOTE (Avalondales @ Jan 19 2009, 01:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Mark,

I have been meaning to reply to this post for a long while...I agree with you... The reason why may not be the same... As a breeder I am very facinated with strain breeding.. It must be the geneologist in me so pedigrees, strains, and bedouin history really catch my imagination and quite frankly I can spend days especially in the winter with papers and photos spread from one end of the house to the other...While I find it facinating, genetics play a very important part in the resulting foal... A strain is basically a definition of a last name... The mares were named after certain characteristics... Hadban strain was named after a mare with a flowing forelock.. Abbeyan for a profoundly flagged tail that would impede lost of her masters cloak...Others for the geographical area they were produced or the tribe that reared and valued them... I do believe what is said regarding a mare contributing 60% to the foal, but I don't believe it is genetic contribution, but the contribution of characteristics such as how to interact with people, how to interact with the herd, it might be a head flip, or a certain manner of trotting around the pasture at feeding time... The foal is always learning from their mother and that is where the influence continues after genetics have put the pieces of the puzzle together.. So, that is why you mare could be predominately of one strain, and by rule of tail female another, but actually representing a third... These situations happen very frequently... When I look at pedigrees and strains I look to the great grandparents (8) horses.. I look at sire lines and female lines.. It is interesting the difference in even 3/4 siblings that changes the configurations... I fear that in modern times the strain system may become obsolete and what will replace it is three types... Halter Type, Performance Type, and Sport Horse Type... It would be ashame to loose the tradition of the strain breeding system... Tracy


Hi Tracy, many thanks for replying so informatively and my apologies for the late responce!
Yes I too believe that there are many factors which contribute to the resultant foal.
Strain, type of sire and dam and yes I also look back 6 generations when studying pedigrees to "try" to determine what the mating "might" be like......I say "try and might" as all the study in the world can't give you a definate picture of what you might end up with! lol
Like you say even full siblings can be very different.
It is fun trying though!
Colour can also bring in different characteristics, but I'm getting off track from strain breeding here (or am I?)

Since reading this thread I have been looking at and drawing up graphs of all my arabians' strains with the intention of a general comparison of horses with the same or similar percentages. I'm not sure that it will come to anything but worth a look at all the same.
Has anyone reading this done any comparisons like this? It would be fascinating to hear what you may have discovered.

I also fear that we are already breeding 3 different types of Arabians...(Halter, Performance and Sport)
Don't we have 1 standard of excellance to aspire to as breeders?
I recently looked at the results from one of our major Arabian shows (Australia)
These particular results were based on Sires progeny.....The number of succesful offspring over the course of the show.
The results were saddening but not completely unexpected.
The Stallions siring the greatest amount of Halter horses were in the bottom of the results/or not at all in the performance section. The Stallions siring the greatest amount of Performance horses were at the bottom of the list in the Halter section!
Arabians for me are the ultimate Allrounder or at least should be!

Strain breeding, a fascinating subject that the more I look into it the more questions I seem to find.
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