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#21 Slide

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Posted 24 September 2015 - 10:08 PM

http://www.allbreedp...com/shams fidat


I really only have baby pictures, despostion has become my number one characteristic as I have become older and Fifi has one of the best. Big eyes is also important.
My horses are all fat, never a problem with them

 

Ummm she is ridiculously adorable and oozes quality.



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Posted 25 September 2015 - 02:35 PM

This is a frustrating prospect for me.  I hear it all the time.  But exactly how does one go back and find this information?  I've yet to find a book that says this horse was had good legs but a weak loin and a foul disposition.   You can look at photos but photos will not show an offset cannon when you only see a side view.  Or as BFF mentioned, a parrot mouth may not be evident from a photo - you may actually have to see the horse and open it's lips to tell.  And temperament?  This in one of the hardest things I have found to research.  Lots of people, at least in the Arab world, are not willing to make public statements about anything negative, including temperament.  

 

I am not criticizing your post in any way.  I am simply asking how does a responsible breeder do this with deceased horses?  And even horses who are not deceased - with AI, the horse's in a pedigree, even close up, are most often no longer regionally located.  Not many people can hop on a plane to go check out so and so to see their legs, see their movement, see them in the flesh and evaluate temperament.  So what is the process for doing the evaluation of ancestors?  

 

This is precisely why I'd love to see a website set up which would cover all the lines of the Arabian breed, and be able to honestly give accurate, non-biased information about which lines (or strains) are known to consistently produce what. People can be so protective of their horses, and many view any critiques of their animals as an attack instead of upfront, honest information...I just don't know how it could ever succeed.



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Posted 25 September 2015 - 02:43 PM

http://www.kriseanho...com/salehorses/

Scroll down to K Khokomo Bay...sire and dam were half-siblings. My guess is that he will be a very prepotent sire.

 

 

And another one worth mentioning: http://www.reflectio...ali-sahib/cqky 

Go to stallions - Tali Sahib. Sire and dam were not quite half-siblings but very close. He is one of the most classical and typey stallions I've ever laid eyes on, and passes it on.



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Posted 02 October 2015 - 06:35 PM

The owner of my stallion's paternal sister sent her to me to breed to him. Both are outstanding individuals, as is their sire. I would not normally have planned such a cross, but I have to admit that I'm excited about this foal. My stallion was bred to his paternal granddam last year, and that filly is gorgeous with fantastic structure.
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Posted 03 October 2015 - 05:48 AM

I bought a mare at three months old that was bred like this. 

I have been told I should never breed her, would be stupid to breed her and probably should get rid of her. 

Here's her pedigree.

http://www.allbreedp...eices tradition

 

She isn't a fantastic looking animal - especially when Arabs tend to be judged most for a pretty face but I will NEVER part with her, as she's very special to me. Quality or not.

 

I bred her to my late Ecaho son back in 2012. I don't have much for conformation shots but her filly... WOW. She is just....breath taking. Hopefully I can get some conformation shots in the next couple of weeks. 

Roxy is bred to Pink Floyd for a 2016 foal - I'm pretty stoked for this one! 

 

This is the pedigree on her 2013 filly, Ember. 

http://www.allbreedp...sa echoed ember

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Posted 05 October 2015 - 06:05 PM

This mare was bred to her paternal brother to produce the filly by her side. Pedigree of filly - http://www.allbreedp...iet el madheena

 

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#27 Kailicia'sGirl

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Posted 06 October 2015 - 09:10 AM

Battle Hill bred sire/daughter crosses, half-sibling matings and mother/son crosses with great success - many of the resulting foals from these crosses won many National Championships/awards and went on to produce many National winners/Champions themselves. Some examples: Beijing BHF (National Winner, sire of National Champions - product of a sire/daughter mating), Dulcinea BHF (National Champion -  the product of a Half-Sibling/Half-Sibling Mating), Falcon BHF (National Champion, sire of National Champions, sire of exceptional broodmares - the product of a daughter/sire mating). These are Battle Hill examples just off the top of my head; there are others. When done well - with the right horses - it does seem to produce exceptional breeding animals. It's an art not all are good at and not all horses are good for (obviously) but when done well, it can create some beautiful, consistent results. 


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Posted 06 October 2015 - 09:47 AM

I bought a mare at three months old that was bred like this.
I have been told I should never breed her, would be stupid to breed her and probably should get rid of her.
Here's her pedigree.
http://www.allbreedp...eices tradition

She isn't a fantastic looking animal - especially when Arabs tend to be judged most for a pretty face but I will NEVER part with her, as she's very special to me. Quality or not.

I bred her to my late Ecaho son back in 2012. I don't have much for conformation shots but her filly... WOW. She is just....breath taking. Hopefully I can get some conformation shots in the next couple of weeks.
Roxy is bred to Pink Floyd for a 2016 foal - I'm pretty stoked for this one!

This is the pedigree on her 2013 filly, Ember.
http://www.allbreedp...sa echoed ember


Lovely filly WS! She shows improvement on her dam. Lovely find end on her!

This mare was bred to her paternal brother to produce the filly by her side. Pedigree of filly - http://www.allbreedp...iet el madheena

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That would explain why your filly is a replica of her dam.
By the way, if you don't want the filly anymore, I will gladly take her off your hands. I have loved your mare since you first posted her, and your filly is so her mothers daughter. I loves her!

Battle Hill bred sire/daughter crosses, half-sibling matings and mother/son crosses with great success - many of the resulting foals from these crosses won many National Championships/awards and went on to produce many National winners/Champions themselves. Some examples: Beijing BHF (National Winner, sire of National Champions - product of a mother/son mating), Dulcinea BHF (National Champion - the product of a Half-Sibling/Half-Sibling Mating), Falcon BHF (National Champion, sire of National Champions, sire of exceptional broodmares - the product of a daughter/sire mating). These are Battle Hill examples just off the top of my head; there are others. When done well - with the right horses - it does seem to produce exceptional breeding animals. It's an art not all are good at and not all horses are good for (obviously) but when done well, it can create some beautiful, consistent results.


Interesting. Thank you for the examples. I am familiar with these horses and although they are not horses I am interested in using, I do see a lot of excellent qualities in them.
I do hear a lot about father to daughter breedings as well. Those seem to produce exceptional reluts as well.
Shadeed DA~2010 Chestnut stallion (Amir Shaklan [Om El Shahmaan x Adiqa Badeia] x Macarena Brahima [Sidi-Brahim x MA Halima Rouge])
PN Alrouhanih~2014 Grey colt (Mirage V++++// x Forrevermore)
Forrevermore~2006 Bay mare (Dark Alibi [Alada Baskin] x Carismor [GG Jabask])
Fiyaero SRA~2008 Grey mare (*Ecaho x Magenta PA [Magyar {Negatraz}])

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Posted 06 October 2015 - 04:08 PM

Attached are all paternal half sister/brother babies.

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Posted 06 October 2015 - 05:14 PM

Battle Hill bred sire/daughter crosses, half-sibling matings and mother/son crosses with great success - many of the resulting foals from these crosses won many National Championships/awards and went on to produce many National winners/Champions themselves. Some examples: Beijing BHF (National Winner, sire of National Champions - product of a mother/son mating), Dulcinea BHF (National Champion -  the product of a Half-Sibling/Half-Sibling Mating), Falcon BHF (National Champion, sire of National Champions, sire of exceptional broodmares - the product of a daughter/sire mating). These are Battle Hill examples just off the top of my head; there are others. When done well - with the right horses - it does seem to produce exceptional breeding animals. It's an art not all are good at and not all horses are good for (obviously) but when done well, it can create some beautiful, consistent results. 

 

Interestingly enough Beijing BHF is a maternal grandson of Tevkah who is a full sibling to Esquire+'s grandsire SRP Zakhar, as is Dulcinea BHF.  Falcon BHF has a similar dam line by utilizing *Muscat/*Kirkor & a *Bask son (Bask-Tu/Bask-Tez). 

 

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