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#1 Ambar

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Posted 20 May 2011 - 01:53 PM

In the ABN forums, we want to foster a community that is willing to share opinions and information, to engage in spirited debate, and to offer useful and educational content. With that in mind, we believe a healthy community will take it upon itself to rebuke or ignore those whose conduct is detrimental to the community and support those whose contributions are particularly useful. While the latter is easier, we have less often seen a willingness by the community to do the former.

I believe that such reluctance stems, in part, from the frequency of personal attacks that have been made, most recently on the Canterbury discussion thread. At this point, the moderators feel we must specifically ask that posters refrain from personal attacks. Disagree with each other's views or opinions, but do not attack the other person. We will be using the warning system to *ahem* assist those who seem to have difficulty making the distinction and acting accordingly. Failure to adapt to this policy may compel us to exclude a poster from the community. (Embedding attacks in account names is a clear statement that the would-be poster doesn't intend to abide by this community standard, so we'll just skip the middle part. ;) )

In addition, I want to make a public apology to "Eyes Wide Open", whose account was misidentified as belonging to another poster who was engaging in personal attacks and was consequently deleted. "Eyes Wide Open" has my personal invitation to return to ABN at their discretion and abide by the same policies as everyone else.

Finally, keep in mind the late Senator Daniel Moynihan's dictum: "You are entitled to your own opinions. You are not entitled to your own facts."

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Posted 20 May 2011 - 03:46 PM

Thank you for this posting, Ambar. I, for one, can get heated when sharing my opinions. I know it, and I try very hard to represent them as my opinions. Doubtless my success rate is less than 100%.

I work hard to look for facts that support my opinion, not just "because I say so". My hope is to encourage, prod or irritate people just enough to go look for themselves. As I've shared before, don't take my word for it...but don't drink the kool-aid, either.

Think for yourself. Form your own opinions. Do it with correct information gathered from credible sources, not just one person's word over another. As someone posted, there are two sides to a pancake.
Be careful of the words you say, and keep them soft and sweet. For you never know, from time to time, which ones you'll have to eat.

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Posted 20 May 2011 - 06:06 PM

Thank you for posting this. I appreciate this site so much and I agree 100%
about personal, nasty attacks. :bigemo_harabe_net-117:
Meaness on the forum is upsetting to me so I imagine a newcomer might just not want to play at all and that would be very unfortunate for this community.
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Posted 20 May 2011 - 06:19 PM

Yay!

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Posted 21 May 2011 - 05:50 AM

If I get too P.O'd, I just stay away for awhile to cool off ;)
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Posted 21 May 2011 - 08:22 AM

I just want to pop in and tell Ambar thank you for her quick response at solving my tech issues yesterday!

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Posted 21 May 2011 - 12:54 PM

Chat forums can be great, but snide remarks and bitter insults or accusations are NOT just "cozy" private talk "between friends" ... copies can be printed out and used as evidence to support slander.

That's what happened in a multi-million dollar legal case in West Virginia. Pages and pages of nasty chat were admitted as evidence in a lawsuit involving a trainer.

The court allowed it.

Another thing for us to remember is this:

We are members of an industry which is under criticism by organizations that don't understand agriculture or animal husbandry. We must get a lot smarter about what we say here.

It's probably hard for some of us to believe, but everything you say -- every idea, every plan, every comment or attitude - is laid out here for critics of our industry to see. Privacy and discretion are the only way to get ahead of the curve.

Think about that.

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Posted 22 May 2011 - 08:46 AM

I totally agree with everything Ron has said.

Remember, this site is searchable by Google. So whatever you say remains findable by others. I always keep that in mind when posting.

As someone who has been the victim of personal attacks here (most notably when I have posted links to controversial issues that need publicity and some members weren't happy with that), I applaud Ambar's policy.
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Posted 22 May 2011 - 12:46 PM

Chat forums can be great, but snide remarks and bitter insults or accusations are NOT just "cozy" private talk "between friends" ... copies can be printed out and used as evidence to support slander.

That's what happened in a multi-million dollar legal case in West Virginia. Pages and pages of nasty chat were admitted as evidence in a lawsuit involving a trainer.

The court allowed it.

Another thing for us to remember is this:

We are members of an industry which is under criticism by organizations that don't understand agriculture or animal husbandry. We must get a lot smarter about what we say here.

It's probably hard for some of us to believe, but everything you say -- every idea, every plan, every comment or attitude - is laid out here for critics of our industry to see. Privacy and discretion are the only way to get ahead of the curve.

Think about that.

- RH.


Very well put, Ron. I try to keep this in mind when posting also...

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Posted 22 May 2011 - 05:44 PM

There is a nice little quote that I have heard repeatedly over the years...

'If you have nothing nice to say, then don't say anything at all.'

I don't mind giving constructive criticism when it is asked for but I will not participate in giving or paying heed on the receiving end of (nasty) unsolicited advice. There is definitely nothing more annoying than having somebody pounce on your back for something irrelevant and/or unneeded. Don't victimize others. Ever heard of cyber bullying?

No thanks. Just not my cup of tea. If you cannot behave as a civil adult then there is an issue on the forefront to begin with.

Wonderful post. Kudos to you.

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