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#21 Fereyna1982

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Posted 30 November 2010 - 06:28 AM

Where do you live? I have a few suggestions....

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Posted 30 November 2010 - 06:34 AM

I did my own training with ALI-ZEUS. Got some books, watched a few videos... Not much different than training a riding horse (which I had done many times previously). Obviously I did end up with a couple of issues that were due to my novice harness training skills (chiefly ALI-ZEUS was pretty much counter bent on the circle for most for his competition life - limited us to Training Level since I struggled learning to teach him to properly bend to get better dressage scores), but we managed and even took our share of ribbons. Mostly because he rocked in cones. He was a cones driving machine.

So while I do recommend joining ADS and your local driving club (best place to find carriage driving trainers vs MR Fine Harness type trainers), if you have trained your own under saddle, you should be able to make a go of training your own in harness.

There are a many pro trainers that you could ship to, depending on your budget and competition goals, and of course your location.

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Posted 30 November 2010 - 06:48 AM

ALI-ZEUS was black. A "light" black as the color specialists are terming it now.
DNA tested three separate times as Eeaa (heterozygous black non-agouti).
He sired a bay foal on a chestnut mare.

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He was a handsome boy! Sorry to hear of his passing. :(

Driving sounds like fun. I am wanting to train my mare who "can't be ridden". She has an accident when she was younger and the lady I got her from made it clear she shouldn't be ridden. So I promised I wouldn't ride her. She wants a job though. I can see it in her. :(

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Posted 30 November 2010 - 08:09 AM

Central Maryland.

Look up Andy Marcoux at Carriage Essentials. He is in Massachusetts.
The real trick IMO is getting the ground driving(long lining) down, teaching the horse his bending and bit skills before they learn to pull. Be careful not to create an overflexed, chin on chest type of carriage. Once the horse understands the concept of the circle, get out of the arena or round pen, and make the horse face any demons with work.
All of this is easier if the horse is broke to ride first...

Good Luck!! Nancy

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Posted 30 November 2010 - 09:05 AM

Perhaps Im "ignorant" as well.... as dilute genes are not in Purebred Arabian horses. Arabian horses are BLACK, BAY, CHESTNUT, GREY. Again, I'm willing to claim the "ignorant" hat. Dilute genes are signs of impurity somewhere, somehow down the line. The dilute gene did not get there by breeding two purebred Arabian horses.
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Posted 30 November 2010 - 09:14 AM

As someone who finds herself in possession of a VERY small purebred (not due to genetics or malnourishment), I'm having a very difficult time finding someone to train this horse to drive. Yeah, there are some people who state they can do it, but I wouldn't send them the business. *Ahem*

Other than joining the Driving Society and joining a "local" (regional) group in hopes of finding someone who really do a good job, do you have any recommendations? Or a list of people you would consider using? I'm budgeting for 2011.

Gali-Ferzon was very small due to difficulties during birth and then getting very ill as a yearling, but he sired lovely foals. Some were even rather tall.


If i wanted to send a horse to learn to drive, I would send her to Jim Lowe.
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Posted 30 November 2010 - 10:15 AM

Perhaps Im "ignorant" as well.... as dilute genes are not in Purebred Arabian horses. Arabian horses are BLACK, BAY, CHESTNUT, GREY. Again, I'm willing to claim the "ignorant" hat. Dilute genes are signs of impurity somewhere, somehow down the line. The dilute gene did not get there by breeding two purebred Arabian horses.


Really? Any dilute is a mutation. Obviously this line had such a mutation that produced this dilution in these two horses. They are very tightly bred, from a very small gene pool. This is a 4 ancestor group of horses: *TAAMRI, *RUDANN, FANIFEH and *MUHAIRA. this group is now on it's 5th generation of breeding within the 4 ancestor group. About the right time for very recessive mutation to crop up, don't you think?

AHMAR SHETAN, sire of both "dilutes" ALI-ZEUS and MIREYENION TOS, is 2 generations from the Sa'ud Royal Stables.
ASF VANIAH and her full sister, ASF WITNESS, dams of ALI-ZEUS and MIREYENION TOS respectively, are 3 generations from the same stable.
That means both ALI-ZEUS and MIREYENION TOS are 4 generations from the the actual country where ARABIANS get their name.
I'll go toe to toe with anyone over the purity of the BLUE STAR lines.

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Posted 30 November 2010 - 10:18 AM

ty for the p[pictures of your gorgeous boy i realized he was a light black after i red some info on that genetic colour mutation
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Posted 30 November 2010 - 10:24 AM

Really? Any dilute is a mutation. Obviously this line had such a mutation that produced this dilution in these two horses. They are very tightly bred, from a very small gene pool. This is a 4 ancestor group of horses: *TAAMRI, *RUDANN, FANIFEH and *MUHAIRA. this group is now on it's 5th generation of breeding within the 4 ancestor group. About the right time for very recessive mutation to crop up, don't you think?

AHMAR SHETAN, sire of both "dilutes" ALI-ZEUS and MIREYENION TOS, is 2 generations from the Sa'ud Royal Stables.
ASF VANIAH and her full sister, ASF WITNESS, dams of ALI-ZEUS and MIREYENION TOS respectively, are 3 generations from the same stable.
That means both ALI-ZEUS and MIREYENION TOS are 4 generations from the the actual country where ARABIANS get their name.
I'll go toe to toe with anyone over the purity of the BLUE STAR lines.

k i think there is a wrong phrase being used here Ali Zeus and his sis have a colour mutation not dilution
dilute would carry some form of creme gene that would dilute the colour Arabians that are pure breds do not carry creme gene but i agree colours can mutate i think you using the term dilute is what is causing confusion as you said he was tested and was negative for creme gene yet you keep calling him dilute. > BTW he is gorgeous
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Posted 30 November 2010 - 10:26 AM

Look up Andy Marcoux at Carriage Essentials. He is in Massachusetts.
The real trick IMO is getting the ground driving(long lining) down, teaching the horse his bending and bit skills before they learn to pull. Be careful not to create an overflexed, chin on chest type of carriage. Once the horse understands the concept of the circle, get out of the arena or round pen, and make the horse face any demons with work.
All of this is easier if the horse is broke to ride first...

Good Luck!! Nancy


Yes, Marcoux is a great resource for that area!

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