Arlene, any idea why that seems to be.
VERY good question, Peter, and now that I have had a chance to see a number of his get in England, I can answer it.
When *Camargue came to the US he stood at Om El Arab. His most successful get bred in the US were bred there, and involved a nick with their *El Shaklan/*Estopa horses. I'm working on a writeup on a wonderful colt imported from NZ right now, *Euralea Eleazar, who is linebred to *Camargue and a spectacular individual who has all of *Camargue's best traits. His double grandsire is Om El Abadan (*Camargue x *Bint Estopa, she by *El Shaklan x *Estopa), and he also has 2 other lines to *El Shaklan-one through the sire of U.S. Nat Ch Stallion *Fairview Klassique (Amir El Shaklan) and one through Cambriaa, a National winner in the US and Europe who is out of a predominantly Egyptian mare. The dam line on this young stallion goes back to classic Crabbet breeding (his 3rd dam is Silver Shimmer, a granddaughter of Blue Domino and Bright Shadow). Those lines add substance to enable this linebred colt to have both type and substance (not an easy combination these days). Please PM me if you'd like more info on this colt-I am pretty impressed with him and I can put you in contact with his importer.
*Camargue sired many get in England out of old Crabbet line mares, like the third dam of the colt I just mentioned. These mares are usually structurally correct (though some are apple rumped and some sickle hocked) and need a bit more type, which *Camargue provided with abundance.
Have you seen any of the Om El Arab bred *Camargue get? I am thinking also of Om El Shaina , dam of U.S. National Champion Stallion AOTH Om El Shahmaan, National winner sire Om El Shaheen and of U.S. Top Ten Senior Mare Om El Shadina (she the dam of U.S. TOp Ten Junior Mare Om El Shadream). Om El Shaina has certainly produced well and horses similar in type to *Camargue.
The get you don't like I suspect are the ones out of predominatly Gainey bred mares. Jimmy Dean was the guru to the Ferzon/Azraff breeders before his death and he advised many of them to use *Camargue as an outcross. I'm afraid he didn't live to see that this didn't work. The Gainey horses have less substance than *Camargue and can be long of back and straight of shoulder. When bred to horses with these traits *Camargue could not overwhelm them. Am I right that the horses you didn't like were the ones from Gainey type mares?
If you have Datasource, it is very interesting to note how few *Camargue sons bred in the US were kept entire after their first couple of foal crops....