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#768859 A comment on Foal Rejection

Posted by cvm2002 on 21 May 2016 - 09:02 PM

I posted this on Facebook as well, but feel its an important enough issue that I need to share this everywhere I can.  Its long.... :)  As those of you who breed may be aware, Arabian mares are the breed most likely to experience foal rejection.  This has a wide variety of presentations from ambivalence towards the foal, anxiety when faced with nursing, and all the way up to savage, violent behavior directed at the foal.  The reasons this happens is unknown.  Throughout the years, any number of techniques have been used: Physical restraint from twitches, hobbles, tying forming "nursing stocks" where the mare is contained in a manner that the foal can safely nurse.  Chemical restraint with sedatives of any number of types.  Worst case scenarios end up with the foal being removed from the mare and being raised as an orphan.


I'd like to share a technique I learned from several fellow American Association of Equine Practitioner members that is essentially painless, rapid and according to those I've discussed it with, nearly 100% effective with the mare fully accepting the foal and displaying normal maternal behavior.  We just welcomed our Antham x Bunny filly yesterday morning and experienced this first hand, hence wanting to share the experience so someone else doesn't have to go through the stress and anxiety that we did.  Obviously, as a veterinarian, my access to chemical intervention is much easier than for the general horse owning population.  The brilliance with this technique, is that it involves non-controlled drugs that can be administered intramuscularly and that many of you may already have in your veterinary drug stock (especially if you're breeding larger numbers of mares).


Here's the story.  Bunny had an utterly explosive labor and delivery.  Literally, from the first signs of restlessness to a foal fully delivered was about 25 minutes.  Initially she showed all the typical maternal behaviors: nickering, licking the foal, encouraging her to stand.  Once the foal started rooting to nurse however, the tables turned.  She never became "naughty" about it, but would actively avoid the foal if any motion was made towards her udder.  After about 4 hours, I finally sedated (Ace with a little Rompun) her, administered oxytocin and used a twitch to milk her out a bit and relieve the obvious pressure on her bag.  I bottle fed the foal that colostrum so at least we had something in.  After the bottle, the foal tried nursing and as long as I was there to hold Bunny, she would allow nursing.  The filly latched on and did very well.  Again, as long as someone was there to provide restraint.  We have a camera set up where I can log-in and watch from my phone.  I had to go to work, so they were left to their own devices.  No luck.  I came home at lunch, restrained the mare with simply a shoulder skin twitch that was relaxed once the foal latched.  So I knew the foal was at least getting something.  She remained bright and active.  Back to work and I literally poured over my treatment options.  Physical restraint was not going to be an option with my work schedule, I hate having to sedate, etc, etc.  Options generally include things like fluphenazine and reserpine; these are anti-psychotic medications and fluphenazine in particular has been associated with mental breaks.  Acepromazine requires administration every 6 hours. Alprazolam (Xanax) is currently in favor but can take a couple days to take effect.  


The technique I ended up using literally worked in 30 minutes and Bunny has been a perfect mother ever since.  Essentially I put her back through "labor".  Essentially hitting CTRL-ALT-DEL and resetting the hormonal cascade that leads to maternal behavior.  I administered Estrumate (Lutalyse can also be used).  I've done this technique on client mares before and have used Lutalyse.  It seems to work faster, but the mare has more side effects and is more uncomfortable with it.  Estrumate worked just as well, but took about 15 minutes longer.  These drugs are prostaglandin, which is the pain hormone.  Once the mare is sweaty, I administer oxytocin.  Oxytocin results in uterine contraction and milk let-down, but is also the "love hormone".  It stimulates emotional closeness and bonding.  One other suggestion is to wipe the mare's sweat onto the foal for additional scent bonding.    With all of the mares I've treated, within 20-30 minutes they all are nickering, licking the foal and acting like normal mammas.  With Bunny, we went from having to hold the mare for nursing and nervous pacing ambivalence to a completely devoted mare that is very protective and constantly nickering at her baby.  Its been smooth sailing ever since!!!


So keep this in mind, that all hope is not lost if you ever experience foal rejection.  Feel free to contact me for further details.  And PLEASE discuss it with your veterinarian should the need ever arise; a lot of practitioners don't know about it!

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#769654 My new boy - TA Mariusz

Posted by tuffyk on 02 September 2016 - 04:54 AM

I just purchased TA Mariusz, Pure Polish Arabian colt, from Toskhara Arabians.  Here is the announcement from Dick Reed of Toskhara:


"Congratulations to Roberta Kirouac on the purchase of TA Mariusz (Kordelas x Marieta x Arbil), 2014 Pure Polish colt.  He is a full brother to the well know reining stallions TA Mozart and TA Markoni.  I fully expect this colt to follow in the hoof prints of his champion siblings.


Mariusz is a big, strong, well constructed colt; ideal for reining.  He is also quite beautiful.  We are thrilled that Roberta plans a reining career for Mariusz.  The best of luck to Roberta and Mariusz."


The colt will be shipped to Katona Reining and Performance Horses, and will arrive on September 11th.  He will be trained as a reiner, by the most fabulous, national level trainers for reining, Cindy and Tim Katona!  And Arlene Magid will be providing a prose write up on him, as well as a 6 generation wall pedigree!


Dick Reed was wonderful to work with, and his horses are phenomenal.  For anyone looking for horses, you can't go wrong with Toskhara Arabians!


I am so excited for this new adventure!  I can't wait until he arrives!

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#768858 2016 Foals - Let's see those babies!

Posted by cvm2002 on 21 May 2016 - 08:25 PM

Thrilled to finally report that Bunny presented us with an Antham filly 12:35am 5/20.  We had some issues with borderline rejection (this is Bunny's first foal...) but I'm happy to report that we have that under control (see my other post for details!) and Bunny is now being a very good mom.  


Introducing Dantonia WSA, flaxen, sabino chestnut filly.  As you can see, she's chromed to the max!  So far, everything we were hoping for with this cross!






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Posted by BFF on 08 February 2014 - 05:36 PM

Last night at 10:20 PM my Hanoverian mare Pouilly Fuisse R (Pablito x Kognac) presented me with a Chestnut filly.


This filly is sired by my stallion Pro-Ceedr (*Procent x Cedella by *Cedr) who just turned 30 last week.


I could not help but reminisce last night as I watched her trying out her legs for the first time thinking her sire was born in that very spot 30 years and one week ago.   What a blessing to have such a beautiful filly and to have another foal from my stallion,


Her sire Pro-Ceedr - Photo taken last week on his 30th birthday

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Video at age 28


Her dam-  Pouilly Fuisse R 




The new filly


Meeting the vet on the postpartum exam

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Meeting one more new friend at the end of the day





We have some video of her on our farms Facebook page



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#671519 Kalaloch+ - new pic's on page 42

Posted by dowedoit on 14 January 2013 - 09:57 PM

Kalaloch (Piaff PASB x Ahbliss, by Etnar, by Dar) is a the most accomplished purebred *Piaff son in North America. He was a multi-National Champion his first year in the show ring! In only 8 AHA shows, he has amassed the following titles:

2012 US National Champion Working Cow Junior Horse
2012 US National Champion Working Cow Futurity
2012 US Reserve National Champion Reined Cow Horse
2012 Region 4 Champion Working Cow Junior Horse
2012 Region 4 Champion Working Cow Futurity
2012 Region 4 Reserve Champion Working Cow Horse Open
2012 Scottsdale Champion Working Cow Junior Horse

2014 Regional Reserve Champion SHUS

2014 Regional Top 5 SHIH

2016 Regional Champion Reined Cow Horse Open


2016 was his first year showing Open NRCHA - he was always the only Arabian.  In his first show, he had the highest cow score of any horse in his class (all QHs).  :)  For the 2016 year end standings, he was second overall in the PNW RCHA for the Limit Open Bridle class.  


His pedigree can be seen here: http://www.allbreedp...e.com/kalaloch2

Klay is beautiful, charismatic, typey and conformationally correct.  He has excellent movement and great legs.  However, IMO, his best assets are his wonderful mind and huge heart.  He has a strong desire to please his humans and is so representative of his heritage and the Polish war horses of the past.  Judging from his first foal crop, he is passing these characteristics on.  Given the extraordinary strength of his sire line, his prepotency in that regard is no surprise.  Add to his sire line the strength of his dam line which goes back to supremely athletic Karramba, dam of Karadjordge+++.  With Klay's pedigree and judging from his first foals on the ground, I fully expect his greatest success will be in the breeding shed. 


2017 stud fee is $1500 which includes first collection fee and the  $350 non-refundable booking fee.  LFG.  Fresh cooled or frozen semen.


Breeders sweepstakes nominated sire.  CA/SCID negative.  EVA negative and vaccinated.  




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#625297 No Convictions For Marsha Parkinson And The Return Of Over 60 Horses As A Res...

Posted by dowedoit on 27 February 2012 - 12:12 PM

Hmmmm - guess I'm officially proud to be a member of the "tin foil hat society" that approximately a year ago (edited to "approximately a year ago" from "more than a year ago" to reflect the seizure in April - was thinking it was January...) voiced our concerns about the legality of the Canterbury seizure. As was said back then but bears repeating now - don't assume it won't happen to you. Don't assume that everyone who falls prey to a "rescue" group turned law enforcement is guilty.

I am so thankful that Marsha found the resources to challenge DEFHR and Queen Anne's County. I would not have been to come up with the money to defend the bogus charges - as is the case for most people - which is why these rescue groups have run amok and have been allowed to trample on the property rights of owners.

For those who were so critical and quick to judge Marsha - I hope you learn something. And I hope that people will quit being so quick to judge - that mentality is what has given these vigilante rescues the power to abuse.

I am forever grateful that Marsha has exposed their abuses. I certainly hope that she is able to recoup what I would expect to be a six figure legal defense bill in civil court.
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#770152 First show

Posted by tranquilo on 05 December 2016 - 04:42 PM

Have to show off some pictures. :D Our colt Jagger Jullyen BV (Jullyen El Jamaal x Adelaida V+//) at his first show last weekend. He's been my pride and joy since day 1. It makes me so happy to see how he's growing up. Now on to Scottsdale!









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#770123 4 Generations of blood, sweat, tears, heart & soul

Posted by HGEsquire on 01 December 2016 - 01:59 PM

4 Generations of blood, sweat, tears, heart & soul.......That is what Mondavi GA (Hy Wynds x GA E-Vangeline), aka 'Robbie' is for me.  Not to mention a double HG Esquire+ grandson.




At the last minute late July 2015 we realized that taking GA E-Vakha to SHN's was not going to happen.  She had sustained an injury while she was in training with my cousin that ultimately caused her to founder.  I was broken hearted.  And I did not want to just 'go' to SHN's.  I wanted to take a horse.  


We pulled Robbie out of the field about 7 weeks before Nationals and got him qualified.  Needless to say as a 3 year old colt who had just been hanging out in the field growing up he had no clue what we were asking of him.  This is when we were referred by our vet to Charlie Transue.  The transformation of this youngster has been nothing short of amazing.  We always knew he was talented and smart and Charlie has only helped Robbie to shine in all areas.


This colt means a lot to me for many many reasons and to see him shine makes my heart smile and smile BIG!  Sharing a few pictures from his recent show and down time at home.


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Denise Gainey

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#769643 A Noise in the Dark

Posted by greygelding on 29 August 2016 - 08:42 PM

Last night at 9:00 pm it's time to turn the herd out for the night. Aspen is walking at my right shoulder as I turn the herd out of their corrals for the night. Mattie falls in step at my left shoulder as I finish my job. A neighbors dog starts barking and I hear noises from the trees. My kids are on alert and like radar units they point out the direction. Without the good sense God gave a gopher I head into the pasture, in the dark, to see what's going on. I'm escorted by Aspen and Mattie but instead of walking with their heads slightly in front of me their noses are at my elbows that way I get eaten first. Suddenly Aspen stops as if to say "Continue on boys and if you return you can give me a full report". Continuing on with Mattie at my left elbow we head across the pasture. Stopping I take a long look around, all is quiet now and it's time to head back. I turn around and head back and Mattie whirls around and I find him on my right side but I'm right at his hip. Yes, my brave escort is making sure the tasty human is first on the menu. Horses are smarter than humans and girls are smarter than boys. LOL

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#770503 Can Mikey Come out to Play?

Posted by greygelding on 14 January 2017 - 04:34 PM

Except for my calendar shots I don't stage my horse pics so an opportunity lost is just that.   I've always regretted not capturing Mayo when he would come to the sliding door in search of adventure.  Today I discovered I have another playmate at the door. :)  It was a nice day and the sliding door was open when I heard a noise.  It was a nose nudging the screen door. :D





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#771597 After 8+ years out he goes

Posted by HGEsquire on 12 July 2017 - 08:02 AM

It's been quite some time since I have made a new post here on ABN.  Not 8+ years as that is an entire different subject and the reason for my post.


With Sport Horse Nationals on our side of the world this year and after having sold our linebred colt Mondavi GA, aka 'Robbie' I got the hair brained idea to take Esquire+ back out again.  


Of course I had absolutely no idea how this would go since he seriously has not even had a saddle on in 8+ years (not his fault).  My knees are trashed and while I would love to ride and show it simply is not in the cards :(  In fact, I have just re-injured my left knee and am headed to the doctors office tomorrow to be scheduled for surgery to have it repaired.


So off to the trainer he went.  Three days later we had to go get him to fulfill a breeding obligation.  He returned to the trainer the following day (just over an hour away) where the trainer was able to take him for a spin after being at the barn for a week.  I was not present so have no idea if it were pretty or not lol but did receive a few cellphone pics via text.  


In the next two weeks we picked Esquire up for several breeding obligations and took him right back to the trainer the following day. This did not give the trainer hardly anytime to ride Esquire, getting to know him, etc.  And on top of that we had a lot of rain :(  Our first show was going to be interesting to say the least......................


So off we went the end of May to Esquire's first show in 8+ years.  He showed both in hand and under saddle.  To say we are pleased with how everything went would be an understatement!  He looked stunning and behaved beautifully.  We took him to a second show the following weekend where he made it to the ring in hand but not under saddle.  Unfortunately Esquire had a tummy ache which he politely told us would keep him from performing his best.  We listened and scratched him from his under saddle classes and let him rest.  


The following weekend Esquire had off but that was short lived.  The next weekend we made the trip to Lexington, VA for the Blue Ridge Arabian Classic.    It was at this show Esquire validated what I knew from the first time I laid eyes on him.  With less than 2 full weeks of being back to work under saddle due to having to be taken back and forth and rain he received at this one show his highest dressage scores yet!  In fact, 3 of his 4 test scores were higher than his scores from years back!


Yes this post is a brag post, yes this post is intended to say I am super proud of my boy AND the trainer, but most important this post is to say.....

"NEVER GIVE UP ON YOUR DREAMS"  ~ Believe it is possible and it will be!!!


Pictures are from our recent shows ;) 






Thank you for allowing me to share here with all of you!


Denise Gainey

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#770025 2016 Foals - Let's see those babies!

Posted by SWells on 25 October 2016 - 12:33 PM

With winter coats coming in fast here at the farm we thought we'd try to get a few shots of our 2016 black filly by Thee Onyx.  (Pardon the red fuzz in her ears...we did not clip them as it is getting cold.  It's leftover baby coat.)  She is now five and a half months old and filled with FIRE!  This filly is constantly flagging her tail...even lays it flat on her back.  She can really put on a show!


This is Opulence S...our last gift from Thee Onyx.





Sue Wells

Sapphire Farms

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#768996 Upstaged by a Horse

Posted by greygelding on 06 June 2016 - 11:19 AM

Today is our 46th anniversary and even though we're apart of course I got something for Pam but she had already received the best gift she could ask for. I'm blaming my "failure" on ABN's favorite enabler - BFF. LOL She enabled us to get a chestnut gelding named Mattie. We looked at him as our family gelding but sometimes things take a different turn. Some horses pick their people. Over the years two of Pam's horses have come over to the dark side and have become mine, the original Mayo and Tezza. This time the tables have turned. We were walking across the pasture and Mattie was tagging along with his head between us. We reached our destination when Aspen noticed we were missing. With a loud neigh she came racing across the pasture and right up to me. Pam said "That just has to warm your heart", and of course it did. When we were finished we turned to walk back and the kids were busy doing horsie stuff and stayed where they were. Just over half way they decided to join us at the run. Always one to take advantage of the situation I took off in my best old guy run. This called for the horses to pick up speed. Aspen raced past Pam and quickly caught up to me, but Mattie? Instead of continuing after me, as he came to Pam he stopped nuzzled her and walked quietly back with her. Who has the warm heart now? Pam has her horse and Mattie has his person. Great gift boy!

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#768886 My New Boy!

Posted by kcranford on 24 May 2016 - 06:37 PM

Ok. Finally got my first show picture from this past weekend. This horse is more than I could have ever dreamed he would be. JMO, but I think he has greatness written all over him. Totally fell in love this weekend. He was amazing in his first show under saddle. Jennifer Quintus made him look great and he made me look great ☺️image.jpeg
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#768320 My New Boy!

Posted by kcranford on 18 April 2016 - 11:10 AM

If you follow my on FB you've already heard this story....I went down to Colonial Wood a week ago to ride my Half-Arab gelding, Sundance King and also kinda shopping for a PB Western Horse.  Well, I came away with a new horse alright, but not Western.  That's right....another Hunter  :rolleyes: (PB this time though).


Meet my new boy, Designed by Versace (Versace x FH Magnum Special)!  A/K/A "Desi".  Or as my husband called him "Daisy"   :rolleyes:  




Josh had been working him as a western horse, but I took one look and said "Nope, that's a hunter" LOL.  Josh tried long-trotting him the next day and for the first time in 17 years of being my trainer, actually admitted I was right about something  :lol:.   We anticipate his transformation will be complete shortly and our first show will be the Arkansas Arabian Horse Club show in Texarkana next month.


One last pic.....this is Desi when he found out how much his new "hunter" shoes cost.  :blink:

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Also a really nice photo of one of his full siblings, A Special Versace 

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Look for me and "Desi/Daisy" in the PB Hunter ring this year - looking forward to a successful career for this beautiful young horse!




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#767898 2016 Foals - Let's see those babies!

Posted by morganm on 24 March 2016 - 08:06 AM

My only foal this year! 


AO Breeze++/ colt, born in February, out of Carabella (*Rushan AHSB x Cariala by *Carmargue). Carabella was bred by Gari Dill-Marlow. He exceeded our expectations. I show wish he would have been a she since we are keeping Breeze daughters and won't be able to leverage a colt in our program, but I have no doubt he will go on to be quite the horse for someone. 


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#767157 2016 Foals - Let's see those babies!

Posted by jcja on 06 February 2016 - 12:57 PM

Figured I'd start the thread again this year since I have a new baby to post :)

We welcomed this beautiful half-Arabian filly Zola BA on 2/3/16 - she's sired by Venetian and out of Zunny Delight, a daughter of Multi-National Champion Wolkenzorro++/! She's soooo pretty headed, could easily pass for a purebred!

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#737077 ELIKZIR++/ (Ganges x Ularia)3/30/17Riding video update NOW SIX time U.S. Nat...

Posted by BFF on 09 May 2014 - 06:01 PM




Many thanks to Jim Lowe for showing him to this win.


Here is a little video clip of him making his entrance.  I have to say I got tears in my eyes watching him come in, I still can not believe that this horse is mine.


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#733056 ELIKZIR++/ (Ganges x Ularia)3/30/17Riding video update NOW SIX time U.S. Nat...

Posted by BFF on 29 March 2014 - 03:48 PM

I am proud to announce that Elikzir made his West Coast Debut last weekend with some awesome results.


He was named Champion Stallion SHIH for the Rancho California Arabian Horse Assoctiation

He was named Champion Stallion SHIH for the San Juaquin Valley Arabian Horse Association








Photos coming soon!

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#770796 Sidesteping USEF rules-"New Club"?

Posted by SportArab on 07 February 2017 - 08:23 AM

I'm so tired of hearing halter people complaining (see the responses on Facebook) about how all these videos are scaring away potential buyers.


My response: clean up your show ring and there won't be any more videos out there. Don't be trying to shoot the messenger.

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