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#768859 A comment on Foal Rejection

Posted by cvm2002 on 21 May 2016 - 09:02 PM

I posted this on Facebook as well, but feel its an important enough issue that I need to share this everywhere I can.  Its long.... :)  As those of you who breed may be aware, Arabian mares are the breed most likely to experience foal rejection.  This has a wide variety of presentations from ambivalence towards the foal, anxiety when faced with nursing, and all the way up to savage, violent behavior directed at the foal.  The reasons this happens is unknown.  Throughout the years, any number of techniques have been used: Physical restraint from twitches, hobbles, tying forming "nursing stocks" where the mare is contained in a manner that the foal can safely nurse.  Chemical restraint with sedatives of any number of types.  Worst case scenarios end up with the foal being removed from the mare and being raised as an orphan.


I'd like to share a technique I learned from several fellow American Association of Equine Practitioner members that is essentially painless, rapid and according to those I've discussed it with, nearly 100% effective with the mare fully accepting the foal and displaying normal maternal behavior.  We just welcomed our Antham x Bunny filly yesterday morning and experienced this first hand, hence wanting to share the experience so someone else doesn't have to go through the stress and anxiety that we did.  Obviously, as a veterinarian, my access to chemical intervention is much easier than for the general horse owning population.  The brilliance with this technique, is that it involves non-controlled drugs that can be administered intramuscularly and that many of you may already have in your veterinary drug stock (especially if you're breeding larger numbers of mares).


Here's the story.  Bunny had an utterly explosive labor and delivery.  Literally, from the first signs of restlessness to a foal fully delivered was about 25 minutes.  Initially she showed all the typical maternal behaviors: nickering, licking the foal, encouraging her to stand.  Once the foal started rooting to nurse however, the tables turned.  She never became "naughty" about it, but would actively avoid the foal if any motion was made towards her udder.  After about 4 hours, I finally sedated (Ace with a little Rompun) her, administered oxytocin and used a twitch to milk her out a bit and relieve the obvious pressure on her bag.  I bottle fed the foal that colostrum so at least we had something in.  After the bottle, the foal tried nursing and as long as I was there to hold Bunny, she would allow nursing.  The filly latched on and did very well.  Again, as long as someone was there to provide restraint.  We have a camera set up where I can log-in and watch from my phone.  I had to go to work, so they were left to their own devices.  No luck.  I came home at lunch, restrained the mare with simply a shoulder skin twitch that was relaxed once the foal latched.  So I knew the foal was at least getting something.  She remained bright and active.  Back to work and I literally poured over my treatment options.  Physical restraint was not going to be an option with my work schedule, I hate having to sedate, etc, etc.  Options generally include things like fluphenazine and reserpine; these are anti-psychotic medications and fluphenazine in particular has been associated with mental breaks.  Acepromazine requires administration every 6 hours. Alprazolam (Xanax) is currently in favor but can take a couple days to take effect.  


The technique I ended up using literally worked in 30 minutes and Bunny has been a perfect mother ever since.  Essentially I put her back through "labor".  Essentially hitting CTRL-ALT-DEL and resetting the hormonal cascade that leads to maternal behavior.  I administered Estrumate (Lutalyse can also be used).  I've done this technique on client mares before and have used Lutalyse.  It seems to work faster, but the mare has more side effects and is more uncomfortable with it.  Estrumate worked just as well, but took about 15 minutes longer.  These drugs are prostaglandin, which is the pain hormone.  Once the mare is sweaty, I administer oxytocin.  Oxytocin results in uterine contraction and milk let-down, but is also the "love hormone".  It stimulates emotional closeness and bonding.  One other suggestion is to wipe the mare's sweat onto the foal for additional scent bonding.    With all of the mares I've treated, within 20-30 minutes they all are nickering, licking the foal and acting like normal mammas.  With Bunny, we went from having to hold the mare for nursing and nervous pacing ambivalence to a completely devoted mare that is very protective and constantly nickering at her baby.  Its been smooth sailing ever since!!!


So keep this in mind, that all hope is not lost if you ever experience foal rejection.  Feel free to contact me for further details.  And PLEASE discuss it with your veterinarian should the need ever arise; a lot of practitioners don't know about it!

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#767954 Update on Mare I was told was too dangerous to ride.

Posted by carolyn thompson on 28 March 2016 - 06:31 AM

I don't know if anyone recalls a post I made a couple of years ago about my mare Contessa Encantada aka Tessa. She was sent home by my previous trainer because she kept bolting when he tried to ride her out of the arena. He told me she was too dangerous for me to ride and that I would get hurt. I was devastated because she is the first foal I bred and raised. Her dam is my main riding mare that I swear reads my mind about where and what I want to do when I am riding her. Tessa is very sweet on the ground and I could not get my mind to mesh with the idea that she is dangerous so I sought out another trainer.

I explained her entire background to Lisa and she said she would give it a go. Lisa spent a month on the ground working with lateral flexion and bridling before she rode. Tessa was a challenge after the first month of riding but Lisa worked with Tessa to build her confidence. I also took lots of lessons because I have never ridden with a horse on the bit. I didn't even understand the concept because it was new to me. Lisa has a fantastic lesson horse that is safe but will challenge the rider. Unless I managed my reins, Jake would go in whatever direction he felt like going. I now keep Jake going where I want him to go and we have even started to work on collected and extended gaits as I am interested in Western Dressage.

Yesterday I got my Easter present that was much better than any chocolate egg. I rode Tessa for the first time, not just in a round pen but in the arena with the visiting Canadian geese, ducks and giant flock of noisy Grackles. We only went at a walk and jog the first ride as I discovered that Tessa needs lots of rider support with hand and leg. She is very responsive to my leg but needs more rein management than any horse I have ridden. I am sure that will straighten out with more practice and we figure out each other.

Lisa was very proud of me because I had to banish a lot of negative thoughts that had been cemented in my internal dialog. Lisa has invested a lot of effort and time to help Tessa and I on the road to becoming a team.

I spent the entire afternoon grinning and bouncing around the farm because I was just so happy. Best Easter ever. Thank you Lisa Skalski. She is a skilled horsewoman and teacher.
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#769654 My new boy - TA Mariusz

Posted by tuffyk on 02 September 2016 - 04:54 AM

I just purchased TA Mariusz, Pure Polish Arabian colt, from Toskhara Arabians.  Here is the announcement from Dick Reed of Toskhara:


"Congratulations to Roberta Kirouac on the purchase of TA Mariusz (Kordelas x Marieta x Arbil), 2014 Pure Polish colt.  He is a full brother to the well know reining stallions TA Mozart and TA Markoni.  I fully expect this colt to follow in the hoof prints of his champion siblings.


Mariusz is a big, strong, well constructed colt; ideal for reining.  He is also quite beautiful.  We are thrilled that Roberta plans a reining career for Mariusz.  The best of luck to Roberta and Mariusz."


The colt will be shipped to Katona Reining and Performance Horses, and will arrive on September 11th.  He will be trained as a reiner, by the most fabulous, national level trainers for reining, Cindy and Tim Katona!  And Arlene Magid will be providing a prose write up on him, as well as a 6 generation wall pedigree!


Dick Reed was wonderful to work with, and his horses are phenomenal.  For anyone looking for horses, you can't go wrong with Toskhara Arabians!


I am so excited for this new adventure!  I can't wait until he arrives!

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#760718 Once upon a time - Selket Arabians

Posted by BFF on 23 May 2015 - 07:13 AM

No, I'm not young.  I'm also in them middle of watching my husband die a slow, painful death.  His most recent bout was a severe bone infection and amputation of his leg.   Do those horses look happy and playful to you?



I normally do not weigh in on things like this.  However I thought I would add my two cents after this comment and of course previous comments that had me biting my tongue.


A Photograph is just a snapshot of a MOMENT in time.  


I just recently lost my very beloved 34 year old stallion who had been my  cherished friend for 33 years.  I lost him to renal failure.

My vet and I worked very closely together he was out often every 4 days for a couple of months to give antibiotic shots. Without totaling it up I would guess I spent about $7,000+ on him in vet bills from November until March.  We did regular blood checks.  We had done fluid therapy a couple of times.  I put a lot of effort in taking care of him and worked my entire life around his schedule. (I will add that except for the last few months of his life this horse only saw the vet for routine care and one mild colic episode about 17 years ago)


He was very thin those last two months of his life.  If someone had taken a photo of him standing there someone like you would have decided he was better off dead.   Guess what when I turned that old guy out-which I did every day until his last day of life.   He would run around.  When he saw me coming he would gallop  (as fast as a 34 year old horse can) and whinny to me to let me know I was too slow and that his goodies better be waiting for him.


My vets said we would base everything on attitude.  His blood work only showed failing kidneys, as thin as he was he was not starving.  I know I personally hand cut soaked hay with scissors for the last three months of his life to go along with whatever else he wanted to eat.


The day I put him down was the correct day.  It was not a day too early and certainly not a day too late.   I am so glad that some "do gooder" did not insert themselves in a decision that was between me and my vet.  


I too am completely witholding my judgment on this case.  I have seen too many rescue debacles and trial by internet.

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#765724 Definitely worth waiting for!

Posted by ladycascabel on 02 November 2015 - 05:41 PM

Just wanted to announce that after all this time, my search for a "seasoned campaigner" western horse has been successful!!! I'm so thankful to have added WCF Rampage+/ (AKA "Reggie") to our family. Tremendous gratitude to his former owners, I know it was extremely hard to part with him. I promise I will love him as much as you do! My husband and I hauled him home from Arizona ourselves (when did the Scottsdale area get so far away?? In the late 1990's it seemed so much closer!) and he traveled like a trooper. He's a charmer and so wonderful to ride. I hope the two of us will be seeing fellow ABN members in the ring next year!!!

And since I know better than to make a post like this without pics:


Showing off his profile:

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Checking out the mountains!

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I think this face marking is typical of some of the Muscat-bred horses. :)

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And if anyone has advice on how to "western up" his hunter-trimmed (yet still long!) mane, I'd really appreciate it!!

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#766163 Who Knew?

Posted by greygelding on 28 November 2015 - 06:07 PM

Apparently you can do something else with these things other than throw money at them.  I found out that you can put something called a saddle on them and actually ride them!  Who knew?  I took some time out of my busy schedule and put the newbies under saddle today.


Rescues under saddle:


First came Rosie and it was her first saddling and ride.  Well just a few steps really but she was wonderful.  For a horse with very little handling and had never been blanketed let alone saddled, she took right to it.  Tomorrow before I head back to the coast I will repeat todays lesson.










Next came Mattie's turn.  He was feisty but fun.








Lastly came Raven and he was quite a handful but mission accomplished.






Hope everyone had a great Thanksgiving, Mike

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#768858 2016 Foals - Let's see those babies!

Posted by cvm2002 on 21 May 2016 - 08:25 PM

Thrilled to finally report that Bunny presented us with an Antham filly 12:35am 5/20.  We had some issues with borderline rejection (this is Bunny's first foal...) but I'm happy to report that we have that under control (see my other post for details!) and Bunny is now being a very good mom.  


Introducing Dantonia WSA, flaxen, sabino chestnut filly.  As you can see, she's chromed to the max!  So far, everything we were hoping for with this cross!






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#767857 SHE'S HOME

Posted by liz on 19 March 2016 - 07:55 PM

Been missing this mare ever since I sold her 12 yrs ago. Now 16 yr young. Competition days over and time to hang out and be a momma.  Thought my breeding days were over.... maybe a couple more foals.  picture was right off the trailer ride... and was cool as a cucumber. Not a fancy show picture.. (been there done that, and have those) - am  real good with how she is  now.

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Posted by BFF on 08 February 2014 - 05:36 PM

Last night at 10:20 PM my Hanoverian mare Pouilly Fuisse R (Pablito x Kognac) presented me with a Chestnut filly.


This filly is sired by my stallion Pro-Ceedr (*Procent x Cedella by *Cedr) who just turned 30 last week.


I could not help but reminisce last night as I watched her trying out her legs for the first time thinking her sire was born in that very spot 30 years and one week ago.   What a blessing to have such a beautiful filly and to have another foal from my stallion,


Her sire Pro-Ceedr - Photo taken last week on his 30th birthday

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Video at age 28


Her dam-  Pouilly Fuisse R 




The new filly


Meeting the vet on the postpartum exam

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Meeting one more new friend at the end of the day





We have some video of her on our farms Facebook page



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#671519 Kalaloch+ - new pic's on page 42

Posted by dowedoit on 14 January 2013 - 09:57 PM

Kalaloch (Piaff PASB x Ahbliss, by Etnar, by Dar) is a the most accomplished purebred *Piaff son in North America. He was a multi-National Champion his first year in the show ring! In only 8 AHA shows, he has amassed the following titles:

2012 US National Champion Working Cow Junior Horse
2012 US National Champion Working Cow Futurity
2012 US Reserve National Champion Reined Cow Horse
2012 Region 4 Champion Working Cow Junior Horse
2012 Region 4 Champion Working Cow Futurity
2012 Region 4 Reserve Champion Working Cow Horse Open
2012 Scottsdale Champion Working Cow Junior Horse

2014 Regional Reserve Champion SHUS

2014 Regional Top 5 SHIH

2016 Regional Champion Reined Cow Horse Open


2016 was his first year showing Open NRCHA - he was always the only Arabian.  In his first show, he had the highest cow score of any horse in his class (all QHs).  :)  For the 2016 year end standings, he was second overall in the PNW RCHA for the Limit Open Bridle class.  


His pedigree can be seen here: http://www.allbreedp...e.com/kalaloch2

Klay is beautiful, charismatic, typey and conformationally correct.  He has excellent movement and great legs.  However, IMO, his best assets are his wonderful mind and huge heart.  He has a strong desire to please his humans and is so representative of his heritage and the Polish war horses of the past.  Judging from his first foal crop, he is passing these characteristics on.  Given the extraordinary strength of his sire line, his prepotency in that regard is no surprise.  Add to his sire line the strength of his dam line which goes back to supremely athletic Karramba, dam of Karadjordge+++.  With Klay's pedigree and judging from his first foals on the ground, I fully expect his greatest success will be in the breeding shed. 


2017 stud fee is $1500 which includes first collection fee and the  $350 non-refundable booking fee.  LFG.  Fresh cooled or frozen semen.


Breeders sweepstakes nominated sire.  CA/SCID negative.  EVA negative and vaccinated.  




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#625297 No Convictions For Marsha Parkinson And The Return Of Over 60 Horses As A Res...

Posted by dowedoit on 27 February 2012 - 12:12 PM

Hmmmm - guess I'm officially proud to be a member of the "tin foil hat society" that approximately a year ago (edited to "approximately a year ago" from "more than a year ago" to reflect the seizure in April - was thinking it was January...) voiced our concerns about the legality of the Canterbury seizure. As was said back then but bears repeating now - don't assume it won't happen to you. Don't assume that everyone who falls prey to a "rescue" group turned law enforcement is guilty.

I am so thankful that Marsha found the resources to challenge DEFHR and Queen Anne's County. I would not have been to come up with the money to defend the bogus charges - as is the case for most people - which is why these rescue groups have run amok and have been allowed to trample on the property rights of owners.

For those who were so critical and quick to judge Marsha - I hope you learn something. And I hope that people will quit being so quick to judge - that mentality is what has given these vigilante rescues the power to abuse.

I am forever grateful that Marsha has exposed their abuses. I certainly hope that she is able to recoup what I would expect to be a six figure legal defense bill in civil court.
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#770152 First show

Posted by tranquilo on 05 December 2016 - 04:42 PM

Have to show off some pictures. :D Our colt Jagger Jullyen BV (Jullyen El Jamaal x Adelaida V+//) at his first show last weekend. He's been my pride and joy since day 1. It makes me so happy to see how he's growing up. Now on to Scottsdale!









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#770123 4 Generations of blood, sweat, tears, heart & soul

Posted by HGEsquire on 01 December 2016 - 01:59 PM

4 Generations of blood, sweat, tears, heart & soul.......That is what Mondavi GA (Hy Wynds x GA E-Vangeline), aka 'Robbie' is for me.  Not to mention a double HG Esquire+ grandson.




At the last minute late July 2015 we realized that taking GA E-Vakha to SHN's was not going to happen.  She had sustained an injury while she was in training with my cousin that ultimately caused her to founder.  I was broken hearted.  And I did not want to just 'go' to SHN's.  I wanted to take a horse.  


We pulled Robbie out of the field about 7 weeks before Nationals and got him qualified.  Needless to say as a 3 year old colt who had just been hanging out in the field growing up he had no clue what we were asking of him.  This is when we were referred by our vet to Charlie Transue.  The transformation of this youngster has been nothing short of amazing.  We always knew he was talented and smart and Charlie has only helped Robbie to shine in all areas.


This colt means a lot to me for many many reasons and to see him shine makes my heart smile and smile BIG!  Sharing a few pictures from his recent show and down time at home.


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Denise Gainey

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#769643 A Noise in the Dark

Posted by greygelding on 29 August 2016 - 08:42 PM

Last night at 9:00 pm it's time to turn the herd out for the night. Aspen is walking at my right shoulder as I turn the herd out of their corrals for the night. Mattie falls in step at my left shoulder as I finish my job. A neighbors dog starts barking and I hear noises from the trees. My kids are on alert and like radar units they point out the direction. Without the good sense God gave a gopher I head into the pasture, in the dark, to see what's going on. I'm escorted by Aspen and Mattie but instead of walking with their heads slightly in front of me their noses are at my elbows that way I get eaten first. Suddenly Aspen stops as if to say "Continue on boys and if you return you can give me a full report". Continuing on with Mattie at my left elbow we head across the pasture. Stopping I take a long look around, all is quiet now and it's time to head back. I turn around and head back and Mattie whirls around and I find him on my right side but I'm right at his hip. Yes, my brave escort is making sure the tasty human is first on the menu. Horses are smarter than humans and girls are smarter than boys. LOL

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#768033 Happiness is a New Pasture

Posted by greygelding on 02 April 2016 - 06:59 PM

I turned the kids out in the newly fenced pasture late this afternoon for a little while.  Lots of running and eating.  A great time was had by all.













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#767855 I Found a Leprachaun

Posted by greygelding on 19 March 2016 - 05:33 PM

It's March calendar shoot time.


When stalking the shy elusive Leprechaun it important to be very quiet and stealthy.  It's not like they will just come running to you at your call.  Then again maybe so.......


Once you have your Leprechaun it can be very difficult to get them to wear the appropriate hat.  Hmmmm...  Never mind......




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#766860 Mayo and the Broken Hip, The Final Mayo Post - I Promise

Posted by greygelding on 20 January 2016 - 05:57 PM

Mayo and the Broken Hip

This will probably be the last Mayo remembrance that I post as most are small simple things that endeared him to me or things I've already posted. Things posted like our giving him a separate water container for him to dunk his hay in at mealtimes or my sitting with him in his stall sharing lunch. Little things not posted like the first morning after I got him I arrived at the boarding stable to find the ranch hands discussing the new horse that got out and led them a merry chase until he had visited most of the ranch. His first camping trip where I learned that he knew how to break a halter 3 times during the night so he could hang out next to the tent. The gentle walk around the arena with a very young girl - me leading and her and her dad holding on to her - her first horseback ride.




In September 1988 I broke my hip in a horseback riding accident. My fault as most horse accidents are people's fault not the horses. 6 weeks with no weight and then 6 weeks with gradually increasing weight. About 3 weeks in I could stand it no more so Pam would take me to the horses and I would reach out the window and give him a carrot. I could barely manage going into his corral as there was a good sized step down at the gate. One rainy night we went up and as the kids hadn't been out for a few days we decided to turn them loose in the the only dry place - the indoor arena. While I waited, Pam brought the two mares, Tess and Begonia, to the arena and then Mayo. A great time was had by all and Pam returned the girls home. Mayo was really excited at being left alone in an unfamiliar place and was racing around calling. Not wanting him to get sweaty on a cold night I decided to take him home by myself. Not too bright a decision by a guy on one leg and any weight on the other might mean a lifelong problem. I called Mayo over and haltered him. Walking as carefully as I could we headed to his corral. I was out of shape and moving slowly. Mayo seemed to understand everything immediately. He stayed right at my shoulder, rope hanging loose, walking exactly at my pace, and stopping when I stopped. He never bumped into me or my crutches. Unknown to me Pam was watching, at first alarmed, and then amazed at how gentle he was with me right after his dramatic display in the indoor arena, in the rain, and on a very muddy and slippery road. At that moment I realized what a truly special horse he was. This is probably my all time favorite memory.


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#756589 Another Bat-turd crazy decision.... with a great ending :)

Posted by innishfael on 20 January 2015 - 09:35 AM

Well I know I said 'no more rescues' after taking in my 4th homeless, neglected horse in April 2014.... but a breeder contacted me about colt I had wanted as a weanling.  She actually had another colt for sale and then mentioned she had repossessed this one.   I knew the other colt would have a wonderful shot at a positive home, but that probably no one would want this one.  So the deal was struck and we took in 'splaash of padron' in the middle of August  2014.  


When he came off of the trailer, he almost went down and could barely walk to a stall.  I could not believe this was a three year old colt, I have yearlings that are bigger.  I thought perhaps I had made a terrible error out of sympathy.   However, throughout his entire ordeal, he has kept a sweet personality and while now there is snort and blow, he never rears strikes or attempts to bite.  I am very pleased with his disposition and his legs are straight and wonderful.    His face will never be whole again, as the surgery he had involved his nasal passages and his jawbones, so we will probably not stand him to the public.  Eventually Splash will be our cross on the Maranello daughters.  In the meantime, he will start under saddle later this year. 


His papers are pending, and we have permission to put our farm name on him :)




here is his other side, he has belly spotting and will also be registered with PtHA in the color division




now that i have taken in five rescue type horses in the past two years, I HAVE to be done, and hubby agrees.  However, Splash is now 'his' horse and the two of them get along famously.


Thanks for viewing!


sheila - innishfael farm

#770503 Can Mikey Come out to Play?

Posted by greygelding on 14 January 2017 - 04:34 PM

Except for my calendar shots I don't stage my horse pics so an opportunity lost is just that.   I've always regretted not capturing Mayo when he would come to the sliding door in search of adventure.  Today I discovered I have another playmate at the door. :)  It was a nice day and the sliding door was open when I heard a noise.  It was a nose nudging the screen door. :D





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#767393 Scottsdale!

Posted by kcranford on 16 February 2016 - 03:26 PM

Small brag.....Sunny and I were 3rd in a really nice 55 & over HA Hunter class this afternoon. So proud of my big guy....he just gets better and better.
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